Podcast: From training planner to strategic partner 

A podcast for L&D professionals. Anouck Van Couter and Helen Goovaerts were guests of Lesley from #ZigZagHR.

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Obelisk was a guest on the ZIGZAG HR podcast

Lesley of #ZigZagHR sat down with Anouck Van Couter and Helen Goovaerts of Obelisk.

L&D often wants to be at the strategic table, but too often remains stuck in an executive role. Your plans are good, evidence-based, forward-looking and yet you don't get support or management pushes aside learning investments with arguments like "not now" or "not a priority.

In this episode, we help you make the leap from training planner to strategic partner. We discuss five common pitfalls for L&D teams and show you how to avoid them through stronger stakeholder management.

  • How do you speak the language of business?
  • How do you turn stakeholders into allies?
  • How do you figure out the real learning need?
  • How do you anchor learning as change?
  • How do you prove impact that counts?

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Lesley zoomed in on these questions with Obelisk

  • How do you make L&D more aligned with the language and priorities of the business?
  • How do you win the trust of management and finance in your learning initiatives?
  • How do you involve stakeholders early enough so that they become allies?
  • How do you recognize an L&D partnership in practice?
  • How do you recognize if a learning need is really about learning or about something else?
  • How do you avoid L&D shooting into training mode with every problem?
  • How do you address learning projects as full-fledged change processes?
  • How do you build support for a new course among leaders and teams?
  • How do you show the difference between satisfaction and real impact?
  • How do you measure whether behavior and performance change effectively through a learning program?
  • How can L&D take inspiration from fields such as sales, finance or marketing to become stronger?

These were the answers from our experts:

  • Think like an entrepreneur: link learning paths explicitly to margins, growth and utilization rates-and speak the CFO language with them. (02:57-12:20)
  • Translate your proposal into hard KPIs and timing realities (cash flow!); show how the plan contributes to the multi-year plan. (6:50-11:20)
  • Use a light design-thinking approach: empathize & define first with operations/finance included, then build. (13:58-16:44)
  • Stakeholders come up with info themselves, ask for your critical eye and proactively share MT decisions. (17:33-18:51; 19:02-21:02 )
  • Start with a strategic gap analysis and behavioral definition; sometimes the solution is structure/policy instead of a classroom. (22:21-26:07)
  • Be the professional opposing voice: test question, context and desired behavior change before selecting "solutions." (21:16-22:15; 26:33-27:13)
  • See impact = quality × acceptance: plan communication and anchoring as carefully as the training itself. (27:29-33:10)
  • Combine multiple channels, repeat, and have the sponsor link the "why" to the long-term strategy. (33:10-36:22; 36:22-37:16)
  • Happy sheets ≠ behavior change: show what people do differently in the workplace. (37:29-38:24)
  • Use Talheimer logic: from attendance/participation to application and effect. Preferably with a simple before/after measurement. (38:53-43:14)

Download the strategic L&D toolkit here

The toolkit you use:

  • To test your learning initiatives against your organization's strategic goals
  • As a conversation starter with stakeholders and management
  • To quickly identify pitfalls in your L&D approach
  • As a checklist when setting up new pathways
  • To position your L&D team more strongly as a partner of the business

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